MESKLA | Brewyon Drudh

Making Friends - FLAMM x Counterpoints Arts Climate Displacement Network Exchange Spring Equinox 2026

In this, another special FLAMM episode of the MESKLA | Brewyon Drudh podcast, Sovay is joined by artists and creative producers who took part in an exchange project between FLAMM and Counterpoints Arts Climate Displacement Network over the first few months of 2026.
 
You can learn more about the exchange, which Sovay facilitated here > https://counterpoints.org.uk/event/flamm-x-counterpoints-dislocation-artists-exchange/.
The exchange project pairings are:Katie Etheridge and Boseda OlawoyeRachael Jones and Anca DimofteAlice Mahoney and Kaajal Modi
 
Each participant shared links of the other artworks and projects which they mention, you can find those links below. Further details and examples of the work the participants shared will be available in a forthcoming FLAMM publication. Follow FLAMM on social media to find out more, or sign up to my newsletter here > https://sovayberriman.co.uk/SUBSCRIBE
 
You can find a PDF transcript of the podcast HERE!
 
Anca Dimfote
http://www.ancadimofte.com/
https://www.danaolarescu.com/about
 
Katie Etheridge
https://small-acts.co.uk/
Flamm Commission reference to Re:Rooted: https://small-acts.co.uk/projects/rerooted/
https://kittyhillier.co.uk/about-2/
KBSK Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/KBSKperformingARTS/
Small Acts philosophy: Everyone is the expert of their own lives https://www.instagram.com/p/DVOrpdciHzo/?img_index=1
 
Rachael Jones
https://www.rjonesfilms.com
https://bodminkeep.org.uk
 
Alice Mahoney
www.alicemahoney.com
Solid Sound Liquid Light (Two Queens show in Leicester)
https://www.leilagalloway.net
https://www.naomifrears.com
 
Kaajal Modi
https://kaajalmodi.com
Soft Touch Arts (collaborator organisation)
Interweaving threads of climate justice (Eden Project event)
Songs of the Water (Counterpoints commission)
 
Boseda Olawoye
https://www.bosedaolawoye.com/
https://www.bosedaolawoye.com/copy-of-2016-2017
https://www.churchillfellowship.org/ideas-experts/ideas-library/for-us/
https://www.altspacechicago.com
 
MESKLA, a podcast series that I began in 2022 as part of MESKLA | Brewyon Drudh, considers issues of authenticity, fractured culture, colonialism, the links between indigenous language, intangible and living cultural heritage and identity, and where and how art takes part in this conversation, or makes space for it. The series uses Kernow (Cornwall) as a key site and reference point for its content.These podcasts record conversations between me, Sovay Berriman, and guests whose research or lived experienced touches on the project themes. The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed are the speaker’s own. All conversations are carried out with a spirit of generosity and openness, creating space for the discussions to twist and turn.
Govenek a'm beus hwi dhe omlowenhe goslowes orto/ I hope you enjoy listening  
Please note: These podcasts were recorded in different locations and with a range of equipment. As such the sound quality varies and at times external factors are more present than ideal in the recordings.  
 
 

How do I stay? Flamm /VASW Special episode

This a special episode that deviates slightly from the usual MESKLA programme to reflect upon The Flamm X VASW event, 'How can I stay? Remote Working' which took place at IntoBodmin and The Beat on 12th July 2024. 
 
Sovay is joined by artists Anna Harris and Emma Digerud-White. They share their own reflections, and those of others who attended on the day, of working life as an artist in Kernow.
 
Anna wrote an article for VASW about the event which you can read here > https://vasw.org.uk/editorial/reflecting-on-flamm-x-vasw-remote-working   and you can find out more about Anna and Emma and their work via their social media >>
www.emmadigerudwhite.co
@emmadigerudwhite
www.www.anna-harris.co.uk
@anna.harris.art
 
 

MESKLA | Brewyon Drudh #10 A Conversation About Place, Art & Cultural Capital with Amanprit Sandhu

For this tenth podcast, and the last in this MESKLA series, I am joined by Amanprit Sandhu.
 
Amanprit is a London based curator and educator with a focus on expanded exhibition practices, pedagogy and widening participation in the arts and arts education,  and collaborative approaches to working.  She is currently working as a Senior Lecturer on the Fine Art programme at Chelsea College of Arts, London.
 
Amanprit and I discuss the terms 'place-making', 'cultural capital' and 'social mobility' - what do they mean exactly, and for whom? We consider art’s role and relationship with these terms, and with the communities and land they are used in connection to.  Through the conversation we consider personal senses of responsibility, and how thinking and behaviours can begin to shift.
 
We refer to this text by Vanessa Watts - Indigenous Place-Thought and Agency Amongst Humans and Non Humans (First Woman and Sky Woman Go On a European World Tour!) Which Stephanie Pratt of Episode #4 introduced us to. 
 
We join the conversation with an Amanprit introducing us to her work and research. 
 
MESKLA | Brewyon Drudh (tr. Mussel Gathering | Precious Fragments) is a multi-platform project using sculpture-making and conversation to explore contemporary Cornish cultural identity. To find out more please visit www.sovayberriman.co.uk/MESKLA-Brewyon-Drudh. Through workshops, podcasts, a symposium and an exhibition the project invites people to share their experiences of identity and Cornwall, and their views on Cornish culture and its relationship to land, language, heritage, tourism, the Cornish diaspora and much more. 
 
These podcasts record conversations between me, Sovay Berriman, and guests whose research or lived experienced touches on the project themes. The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed are the speaker’s own. All conversations are carried out with a spirit of generosity and openness, creating space for the discussions to twist and turn.
 
Govenek a'm beus hwi dhe omlowenhe goslowes orto/ I hope you enjoy listening  
 
Please note: These podcasts were recorded in different locations and with a range of equipment. As such the sound quality varies and at times external factors are more present than ideal in the recordings.   Resources: For a full list of resources and references for the project please visit https://sovayberriman.co.uk/MESKLA-Resources  
 
http://superslowway.org.uk
https://www.creativefolkestone.org.uk/folkestone-triennial/
https://www.biennial.com
https://www.ricklowe.com/projects.html
https://commonplace.persona.co/About
https://www.heartofglass.org.uk
https://art.tfl.gov.uk/projects/televox/?numPostamp;main_select=all&action=search_loop_handler
https://www.biennial.com/2012/exhibition/locations/homebaked
https://www.banffcentre.ca/indigenous-leadership?gclid=Cj0KCQiAgribBhDkARIsAASA5bujv6A9c17lVbk8xozYi1B1zkO-KPwQESf7lUOsaIKtXYoac-KXMWkaAmIkEALw_wcB

MESKLA | Brewyon Drudh #9 A Conversation About Fractured Culture and the Power of Stories with Angeline Morrison

For this ninth podcast, I visit Cornwall based songwriter vocalist, choir leader, researcher and writer Angeline Morrison for a conversation at her home, with a small intervention from her cat, Ted. Angeline is actively concerned with raising awareness about the hidden historic black presence in the UK. And has recently released her acclaimed album, The Sorrow Songs, Folk Songs of Black British Experience on Topic Records. We join the conversation with Angeline about to tell us about her research for this album.
 
MESKLA | Brewyon Drudh (tr. Mussel Gathering | Precious Fragments) is a multi-platform project using sculpture-making and conversation to explore contemporary Cornish cultural identity. To find out more please visit www.sovayberriman.co.uk/MESKLA-Brewyon-Drudh. Through workshops, podcasts, a symposium and an exhibition the project invites people to share their experiences of identity and Cornwall, and their views on Cornish culture and its relationship to land, language, heritage, tourism, the Cornish diaspora and much more. 
 
These podcasts record conversations between me, Sovay Berriman, and guests whose research or lived experienced touches on the project themes. The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed are the speaker’s own. All conversations are carried out with a spirit of generosity and openness, creating space for the discussions to twist and turn.
 
Govenek a'm beus hwi dhe omlowenhe goslowes orto/ I hope you enjoy listening  
 
Please note: These podcasts were recorded in different locations and with a range of equipment. As such the sound quality varies and at times external factors are more present than ideal in the recordings.   Resources: For a full list of resources and references for the project please visit https://sovayberriman.co.uk/MESKLA-Resources  
https://museumofcornishlife.co.uk/2021/03/09/under-the-eves-evaristos-epitaph/
https://www.topicrecords.co.uk/2022/08/angeline-morrison-the-sorrow-songs-folk-songs-of-black-british-experience/
https://www.birchtreechoir.com
https://www.bghuk.com
https://cornwallartists.org/cornwall-artists/john-moody
http://remikapo.org/evaristo-muchovela/

MESKLA | Brewyon Drudh #8 - A Conversation About Cornish Life & Lifestyle Cornwall, with Joanie Willett & Natasha Carthew

For this eighth podcast I invited Dr Joanie Willett to talk about lifestyle culture and socio-economic situations in Cornwall, Joanie in turn invited Natasha Carthew to join her in this conversation. 
 
Natasha Carthew is a working-class writer from Cornwall. Her new book Undercurrent: A Cornish Memoir of Poverty, Nature and Resilience, is a powerful exploration of rural poverty and a story of hope, beauty, and fierce resilience. Undercurrent publishes with Coronet/Hodder & Stoughton in April 2023.
 
Natasha is well known for writing on Socioeconomic issues and has written extensively on the subject of how authentic working-class voices are represented in literature. She is Founder and Artistic Director of The Working Class Writers Festival and The Nature Writing Prize for Working Class Writers in association with Octopus/Hachette.
 
 
Joanie is a senior lecturer in Politics with the University of Exeter, and Co-Director of the Institute of Cornish Studies. Joanie’s research about social and economic development in Cornwall is a deeply personal topic for her, beginning with an awareness that many of her contemporaries felt that there was little future in Cornwall for their children.
 
MESKLA | Brewyon Drudh (tr. Mussel Gathering | Precious Fragments) is a multi-platform project using sculpture-making and conversation to explore contemporary Cornish cultural identity. To find out more please visit www.sovayberriman.co.uk/MESKLA-Brewyon-Drudh. Through workshops, podcasts, a symposium and an exhibition the project invites people to share their experiences of identity and Cornwall, and their views on Cornish culture and its relationship to land, language, heritage, tourism, the Cornish diaspora and much more. 
 
These podcasts record conversations between me, Sovay Berriman, and guests whose research or lived experienced touches on the project themes. The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed are the speaker’s own. All conversations are carried out with a spirit of generosity and openness, creating space for the discussions to twist and turn.
Govenek a'm beus hwi dhe omlowenhe goslowes orto/ I hope you enjoy listening  
 
Please note: These podcasts were recorded in different locations and with a range of equipment. As such the sound quality varies and at times external factors are more present than ideal in the recordings.   Resources: For a full list of resources and references for the project please visit https://sovayberriman.co.uk/MESKLA-Resources  
https://www.gwenno.info
https://ncornbookfest.org
https://www.waterstones.com/book/undercurrent/natasha-carthew/9781399706476
http://history.exeter.ac.uk/research/centres/ics/
https://www.bristolideas.co.uk/projects/class/
https://www.trusselltrust.org
https://www.jrf.org.uk
https://queerkernow.co.uk
https://cornwallpride.org
https://www.intercomtrust.org.uk
https://makerheights.co.uk
https://www.thepublishingpost.com/post/the-new-nature-writing-prize-for-working-class-writers

MESKLA | Brewyon Drudh #7 - A Conversation About Art Working & Colonial Legacies, with Association of Unknown Shores

In this seventh podcast I am joined by artists Kayle Brandon and Angela Piccini of Association of Unknown Shores.Association of Unknown Shores, formed in 2018, is an interdisciplinary social practice art project and platform for the research, production and commissioning of art and cultural works. The project explores the hidden nature of persistent material and remembered traces of the enforced cultural exchange between what we now know as the UK and Canada. Working with the legacies of Martin Frobisher’s 16th-century attempt to colonise Nunavut. A collective of disaporic artists, Association of Unknown Shores turns the unknown back on itself to critique the worn colonial ‘discovery’ trope.
 
MESKLA | Brewyon Drudh (tr. Mussel Gathering | Precious Fragments) is a multi-platform project using sculpture-making and conversation to explore contemporary Cornish cultural identity. To find out more please visit www.sovayberriman.co.uk/MESKLA-Brewyon-Drudh. Through workshops, podcasts, a symposium and an exhibition the project invites people to share their experiences of identity and Cornwall, and their views on Cornish culture and its relationship to land, language, heritage, tourism, the Cornish diaspora and much more. 
 
These podcasts record conversations between me, Sovay Berriman, and guests whose research or lived experienced touches on the project themes. The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed are the speaker’s own. All conversations are carried out with a spirit of generosity and openness, creating space for the discussions to twist and turn.
Govenek a'm beus hwi dhe omlowenhe goslowes orto/ I hope you enjoy listening  
 
Please note: These podcasts were recorded in different locations and with a range of equipment. As such the sound quality varies and at times external factors are more present than ideal in the recordings.   Resources: For a full list of resources and references for the project please visit https://sovayberriman.co.uk/MESKLA-Resources  
Avon Stories - Avon Canoe Pilot - Sarah Connolly talks with Heath Bunting & Kayle Brandon for her podcast‘White liar and the known shore’ - Jaimie Griffiths & Laakkuluk Williamson Bathory Cleo Lake Clearwell CavesJanet-Pitsiulaaq-Brewsterhttps://www.inuitartfoundation.org/profiles/artist/Janet-Pitsiulaaq-Brewsterhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/06/woman-free-miner Elaine Morman - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-gloucestershire-45697969https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monmouth_capAlison BainNorah Kennedy

MESKLA | Brewyon Drudh #6 - A Conversation about Tourism, Commodification & Class

In this sixth podcast, I'm joined by Dave Beech, an artist and writer from a working class background. We talk about tourism, class and colonial gaze; how culture and lifestyle is commodified and purchased, and the potential impacts of this.
 
Dave is reader in art and Marxism at University Arts London, and is author of the books Art and Labour (Brill 2020), Art and Postcapitalism (Pluto 2019) and Art and Value (Brill 2015). Beech worked in the collective Freee (with Andy Hewitt and Mel Jordan) between 2004 and 2018. He has recently had exhibitions as a solo artist in UNO gallery, New Orleans, Loft 8 gallery, Vienna and Exeter Phoenix.
 
MESKLA | Brewyon Drudh (tr. Mussel Gathering | Precious Fragments) is a multi-platform project using sculpture-making and conversation to explore contemporary Cornish cultural identity. To find out more please visit www.sovayberriman.co.uk/MESKLA-Brewyon-Drudh. Through workshops, podcasts, a symposium and an exhibition the project invites people to share their experiences of identity and Cornwall, and their views on Cornish culture and its relationship to land, language, heritage, tourism, the Cornish diaspora and much more. 
 
These podcasts record conversations between me, Sovay Berriman, and guests whose research or lived experienced touches on the project themes. The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed are the speaker’s own. All conversations are carried out with a spirit of generosity and openness, creating space for the discussions to twist and turn.
 
Govenek a'm beus hwi dhe omlowenhe goslowes orto/ I hope you enjoy listening  
 
Please note: These podcasts were recorded in different locations and with a range of equipment. As such the sound quality varies and at times external factors are more present than ideal in the recordings.   Resources: For a full list of resources and references for the project please visit https://sovayberriman.co.uk/MESKLA-Resources  
Emily Thomas - The Meaning of Travel
https://philosophynow.org/issues/140/The_Meaning_of_Travel_by_Emily_Thomas Michael John Law - A World AwayNanook of the North - WikipediaRichard Hoggart - The Uses of LiteracyAlain Badiou - Theory of Ethics

MESKLA | Brewyon Drudh #5 A Conversation with Performers

In this fifth podcast  I'm joined by Ellie Allen, caller for ceilidh band Splann. Becky Bordeaux actress, performer and production assistant with Rogue Otherworld and Luke Passey otherwise known as Passman, one half of Hedluv + Passman.
We talk about Redruth, living working and growing up in Kernow, nightlife housing and the cost of living, community and the intangible nature of local knowledge; tourism, stereotypes and TV; gentrification, the diaspora and responsibilities of being contemporary Cornish performers.
 
MESKLA | Brewyon Drudh (tr. Mussel Gathering | Precious Fragments) is a multi-platform project using sculpture-making and conversation to explore contemporary Cornish cultural identity. To find out more please visit www.sovayberriman.co.uk/MESKLA-Brewyon-Drudh. Through workshops, podcasts, a symposium and an exhibition the project invites people to share their experiences of identity and Cornwall, and their views on Cornish culture and its relationship to land, language, heritage, tourism, the Cornish diaspora and much more. 
 
These podcasts record conversations between me, Sovay Berriman, and guests whose research or lived experienced touches on the project themes. The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed are the speaker’s own. All conversations are carried out with a spirit of generosity and openness, creating space for the discussions to twist and turn.
 
Govenek a'm beus hwi dhe omlowenhe goslowes orto/ I hope you enjoy listening  
 
Please note: These podcasts were recorded in different locations and with a range of equipment. As such the sound quality varies and at times external factors are more present than ideal in the recordings.   Resources: For a full list of resources and references for the project please visit https://sovayberriman.co.uk/MESKLA-Resources  
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07pn8mz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_Laws
Methodism in Cornwall - https://www.cornwalls.co.uk/history/people/john_wesley.htm
https://www.panmacmillan.com/blogs/fiction/poldark-books-in-order
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000pb6w
 

MESKLA | Brewyon Drudh #4 A Conversation about Language, Land & Fractured Culture

In this fourth podcast I am joined by Dr Stephanie Pratt - Dakota and Anglo-American Art Historian, and Jowdy Davey - Director of Lowender Peran Festival.  Steph and Jowdy both share aspects of their research which covers intangible cultural heritage and representation of indigenous peoples through colonial gaze. Through our conversation we explore fracturing and healing of cultures, the importance of language, remembering that we too are ancestors, and relearning relationships with land and cultural identity.
 
Stephanie is a member of the Dakota Nation, and became the first Cultural Ambassador for her Tribal Council at the Crow Creek Dakota Reservation in South Dakota, USA in 2015. 
 
She is a member of the Grandmother’s Society based at Fort Thompson, South Dakota, which promotes the understanding and preservation of Dakota and Lakota culture and language. Her book, American Indians in British Art, 1700-1840 was the first study of its kind. Currently, she is at work on a second book which will examine how Native North Americans made images of those who came to their lands and how those newcomers imaged Native North Americans in turn.
 
Jowdy is a Director of Lowender Peran, with a young family dominated by powerful females growing up to understand and celebrate their own dual Breton/Cornish heritage. Jowdy has recently led the commission of an exercise mapping Cornwall’s intangible cultural heritage, identifying where support is needed for traditions, and most importantly the communities that bear them, to thrive.
 
MESKLA | Brewyon Drudh (tr. Mussel Gathering | Precious Fragments) is a multi-platform project using sculpture-making and conversation to explore contemporary Cornish cultural identity. To find out more please visit www.sovayberriman.co.uk/MESKLA-Brewyon-Drudh. Through workshops, podcasts, a symposium and an exhibition the project invites people to share their experiences of identity and Cornwall, and their views on Cornish culture and its relationship to land, language, heritage, tourism, the Cornish diaspora and much more. 
 
These podcasts record conversations between me, Sovay Berriman, and guests whose research or lived experienced touches on the project themes. The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed are the speaker’s own. All conversations are carried out with a spirit of generosity and openness, creating space for the discussions to twist and turn.
 
Govenek a'm beus hwi dhe omlowenhe goslowes orto/ I hope you enjoy listening  
 
Please note: These podcasts were recorded in different locations and with a range of equipment. As such the sound quality varies and at times external factors are more present than ideal in the recordings.   Resources: For a full list of resources and references for the project please visit https://sovayberriman.co.uk/MESKLA-Resources  
 
https://milkweed.org/book/braiding-sweetgrasshttps://marlenamyl.es/public-art/https://jps.library.utoronto.ca/index.php/des/issue/archivehttps://jps.library.utoronto.ca/index.php/des/article/view/19145https://www.mayflower400uk.orghttps://www.plymouth.gov.uk/newsroomtags/mayflower400https://northstarstudygroup.org.ukhttps://stillmoving.org/projects/speedwell-no-new-worldshttps://theseventhgeneration.org/about-the-seventh-generation/
 
 

MESKLA | Brewyon Drudh #3: A Conversation about Extraction

In this third episode of the MESKLA | Brewyon Drudh podcast series I am joined by Dr Hilary Orange & Prof. Emma Gilberthorpe who share some of their thoughts and research about the impacts of extraction industries on communities around the world, and the relationship of this labour to identity and sense of place and belonging.  
 
Emma Gilberthorpe is a Professor of Anthropology at the University of East Anglia, UK. Her research is concerned with the social and cultural aspects of development. Her main area of research examines the parameters of social organisation, kinship and exchange in contexts of large-scale resource extraction (mining and oil/gas extraction). She is particularly interested in the implications of the cultural incompatibilities that exist between large-scale, capitalist corporations and small-scale societies. The majority of her work has focused on the social, economic, political and environmental impacts of mining (Ok Tedi) and oil extraction (Kutubu) in Papua New Guinea. She has also conducted ethnographic fieldwork in Guinea, West Africa and managed projects in Zambia.  
 
Dr. Hilary Orange is Senior Lecturer in Industrial Heritage at Swansea University. She is also the Chair of the ‘CHAT’ group (Contemporary and Historical Archaeology in Theory). Her doctorate (UCL Institute of Archaeology) considered public perceptions of Cornish mining landscape and she has published on industrial heritage, public archaeology, Cornish identity and the heritage of popular music. Hilary’s most recent publications include a chapter on Cornish landscape in the volume ‘Transcending the Nostalgic: Landscapes of Postindustrial Europe beyond Representation’ (2021) and a chapter on Rock music memorial roots and routes in London (2021).
 
MESKLA | Brewyon Drudh (tr. Mussel Gathering | Precious Fragments) is a multi-platform project using sculpture-making and conversation to explore contemporary Cornish cultural identity. To find out more please visit www.sovayberriman.co.uk/MESKLA-Brewyon-Drudh. Through workshops, podcasts, a symposium and an exhibition the project invites people to share their experiences of identity and Cornwall, and their views on Cornish culture and its relationship to land, language, heritage, tourism, the Cornish diaspora and much more. 
 
These podcasts record conversations between me, Sovay Berriman, and guests whose research or lived experienced touches on the project themes. The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed are the speaker’s own. All conversations are carried out with a spirit of generosity and openness, creating space for the discussions to twist and turn.
 
Govenek a'm beus hwi dhe omlowenhe goslowes orto/ I hope you enjoy listening  
 
Please note: These podcasts were recorded in different locations and with a range of equipment. As such the sound quality varies and at times external factors are more present than ideal in the recordings.  
 
Resources: For a full list of resources and references for the project please visit https://sovayberriman.co.uk/MESKLA-Resources   Dr Hilary Orange - ‘Transcending the Nostalgic: Landscapes of Postindustrial Europe beyond Representation’ (2021) DéPOT podacst - Deindustrialisation & the Politics of Our Time Prof. Emma Gilberthorpe - INDIS - Indiginous Sustainable Development 
https://research-portal.uea.ac.uk/en/persons/emma-gilberthorpe 
'From the Horse's Mouth: perceptions of development from Papua New Guinea' (Gilberthorpe 2005) - film

Bernard Deacon
Caradoc Peters
Philip Payton
Crossed Lines: migrant fisher experiences in Scotland - film 
Development Studies Research Journal
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2022-02-11/cornwall-has-as-many-homeless-families-as-holiday-lets
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-cornwall-50835208 The Levant Mining Disaster 1919 - film